(Unofficial Networks received this write up by email from one Thomas Como. We felt it was worth posting)

The Empire Strikes Again – KSL terminates iconic ski shop.

By: Thomas Como 

Squaw Valley Sports Shop

With Squaw Valley’s Renaissance in full swing, the Empire strikes again. This past week in a heartless and bottom line move, one of Squaw Valley’s oldest family owned businesses received word that it is getting the boot.

Squaw Valley, under the management and ownership of KSL has made yet another strike against the legacy and fabled history of our nearly dead “ski town.” After thirty-five years, YES 35 YEARS of being in business, Squaw Valley Sport Shop is being forced out of the valley.

The Squaw Valley Sport Shop is a family owned and operated business that has been in operation at the base of the Squaw Valley Ski Resort for 35 years. It was there before the village, it was probably there before you, and it is one of the last arteries to be severed from the now flaccid heart of Squaw Valley.

I attempted to contact the Willard family this past Monday to discuss the events leading up to Squaw Valley’s decision to not renew their lease.  Respectfully, they have been reluctant to divulge any significant details.

Simply put here are the details:

Squaw Valley Sport Shop is an icon not only within Squaw but the skiing community as a whole. You will be hard pressed to name a single pro who has come out of Squaw that hasn’t purchased, been supported, or frequented this establishment. It’s the same place that kids who are spending their money there now, are doing so because their parents did the same some years ago.

It’s just another inevitable “Big Business” move that will happen time and time again during the “Renaissance” of Squaw Valley. After the shops that currently employ expert and passionate individuals are replaced by shops employing non-English speaking foreign exchange students who know nothing but to stuff your gear in a machine and press the “verde” button, what is left? After the only “ski” shops left standing are commercial empires touting the names of Oakley, The North Face, Columbia, and Marmot. Then what? By that time Squaw and Alpine are accessible through the development of White Wolf, KSL will sell in what will be chronicled as the sale of the century. We (locals) will be left wading through the monotony of a corporate, non-sustainable and soulless town.

Squaw Valley will respond to this latest blunder in their hip and up to date methods of Facebook and social media, attempting to sugar coat this with some B.S. about how it was a “tough decision,” and we are “sad to see ‘em go.” Don’t buy it! Shenanigans!

To the Willard family, my heart goes out. Your shop and its legacy will be missed and remembered by us who have grown up in it. To you the reader: Go in and buy as much gear, schwag, stickers, Go Pros, skis, boots, pants, boots, or whatever. Support your local businesses in the Valley while we still have them. After all, you’ll be able to look back and say, “I remember when there use to be a really cool ski shop here. I bought something there once. Now it’s just this lame restaurant trying to sell me a $52 burger and a $7 pint.” 

If you have a strong opinion about something happening within the ski world (positive or negative) that you would like to share with Unofficial please email it to [email protected]

 

Sign up for news and our top posts


200 Comments

  1. surf rat says:

    lame.

    Reply
    • Local Girl says:

      Has anyone ever considered that maybe it is time for the Wilard family to move on? Maybe this decision was a joint decision. These are struggling times and a local family with two shops may be struggling themselves. Maybe it is a smart move on the Wilards part. Maybe they need to focus on making one shop successful rather than struggling to keep to afloat. Maybe?

      I think we should all be thankful about the changes that are coming to Squaw Valley and the affect the changes will have on our struggling mountain town. The restoration of Squaws buildings and lifts are way overdue! It will also bring jobs to our region that will be filled by locals and seasonal employes alike. If everyone is worried about “foreigners” taking our jobs maybe you should go apply for one. And if your not interested put your self in there shoes and think what an amazing experience those “foreigners” are going to have in our country and be proud that we can offer it to them! Have you ever thought about traveling or being an exchange student? What if you were welcomed by locals with an attitude like yours? Lets be an example and be prideful of our town. Change is good! So hop on board! This is happening weather you choose to like it or not. But as far as I can see it is great! I would bet that if we knew who you were you would be seen skiing at Squaw or Alpine. So support it and love it, be proud to be part of it!

      I love this town and love these Mountains! So please be supportive. Negativity only spreads negativity. We need to support our town, our Mountains and each other. Please stop talking @*@! It really makes all of us look bad, not cool, not smart, just bad.

      Reply
      • Native Dude says:

        Have you ever considered how profitable a shop at the base of a mountain would be verses in town? Have you ever considered driving 15 min. to swap demo skis? How long have you been a “local”? Obviously not very long, or you would know Tahoe City is dying and owning one shop there is not a “smart move”.

        I have yet to seen one positive change about our resort since its purchase by KSL (unless you consider a $53 GNAR burger a positive change). Bringing jobs to locals? How about stealing jobs from locals and bringing people from Colorado in to replace them.

        I will always love Squaw for the mountain, but I will always hate KSL for what they took from it. Once again I ask you, how long have you been a local? Because I was born in Truckee, have owned a pass every year of my life, bought wax at Squaw Valley Sport Shop for my first race in Mighty-Mites, and have witnessed every change KSL brought to my home mountain. For a “local”, you sound pretty ignorant.

        Reply
        • Local Girl says:

          You are right, I was not born here but I have lived here for years and grew up less than an hour away and spent much of my time in Truckee my entire life. I was born and raised in Northern California and so were my parents, grandparents and great grandparents and yes I can prove it.

          I am very aware of the state of Tahoe City but it is not just Tahoe city , it is everywhere.
          I was not saying owning a store in Tahoe City is a “smart move” I was saying focusing on one location is a “smart move”, reducing the overhead and putting that money and energy into one spot where ever that spot may be.

          The truth of the matter is that Squaw is a Beautiful mountain no matter who’s hands it is in but I would hate to see what state the resort would end up in in this economy if KSL did not step in. It would be great if all the “locals” could step in and run the resort and keep it running but that is not reality. Squaw is a world renowned resort and we should be thankful that we live so close so it and that KSL stepped in to take care of it. It is a business and I think that people are forgetting that. I know you don’t want to hear this but KSL is doing great and positive things! Maybe some things don’t look good to you but I am sure there is much thought and consideration in every move KSL makes. Theses are hard times for everyone everywhere we should be thankful for positive things happening in hard times.

          As far as bringing people in from Colorado, It does not matter where people are from, it is bringing people in who can do the job. I happen to know a ton of people that work at Squaw who live here and even people like you who grew up here. I don’t know of any business anywhere whom employs only “locals” and especially only locals whom were born in the town where that business is. I think there would be some major discrimination law suits going on if that were the case. It is to bad that you think you know more than other people because you were born here. You may want to leave for a bit so you can see how the world really works. You may be a little sheltered with a pretty narrow point of view on business and life.

          Why Is everyone so put out by the GNAR burger? $53.00 who cares? You can have five guys go buy five $10-$15 burgers all over town and spend $50-$75 or you can buy on huge burger and share it. It is called fun, doing something different, family style,sharing. Not a big deal and defiantly not a rip off the thing looks huge. I can think of a ton a families that would love to have dinner and share a giant burger. The kids would remember it for the rest of their lives. Loosen up people! Open your minds! If you thinks that Rocker is making and selling a $53.00 burger for one person, who is not in training for eating contests, you are pretty narrow minded.

          Reply
  2. Mike says:

    $7 for a pint isn’t all that bad these days. :(

    Reply
  3. ratherride says:

    what a cry baby! People like you are whats wrong with Squaw. Grow the fuck up, it’s fuckin buisness. You dont like it? Go somewhere else! All you loser locals think KSL owes you a humble backwoods nonprofit ski resort. Im sick and tired of listening to you people bitch. “nearly dead ski town?” are you kidding!? KSL is going to help bring Tahoe back to life. California needs big buisness right now and I for one welcome it

    Reply
    • price wars says:

      Yeah.. that’s great if you want to have squaw be the next whistler… but unless you have a sled and some balls whistler is just for frat kids with credit cards, not people who actually crush snowflakes. As for California needing big business, you are correct, SO VOTE because the reason nobody wants to start a business in your retarded ass state is because of the taxation you nerds have allowed to be voted in over the years. Sad to see another icon of squaw disappear.

      Reply
      • Hairfarmr says:

        Fuck You… taxes shmaxes that has so little to do with this subject it’s ridiculous… take your right wing Tax Bullshit and stuff it up yer ass, and please don’t come visit asshat

        Reply
        • Anonymous says:

          Spoken like the socialist imbicile you are. If you don’t think taxes and excessive regulations discourage and even destroy besinesses, especially small ones, in Cali, you don’t have a clue. But then we already knew that. Of course in this particular case, the fatal blow wasn’t the government, but it often is.

          Reply
          • Ola says:

            I’m a norwegian, my dad pays 50% tax and 9 dollars a gallon for gas, yet somehow we evaded the whole economic crisis.

            I’m in serious need of someone to actually explain to me why my country hasnt failed badly, because socialism is horrible right?

            oh ye and beers are about 10 bucks…

          • mike says:

            imbecile. you fucking imbecile.

    • John Parker says:

      Squaw Valley Sport Shop is an established business that has provided a valuable service to the Squaw Valley skiing/riding community for over 30 years (not just the “local” community). They deserve better treatment. KSL could have worked with them to grow/improve the shop in the ways they felt it needed to change in accordance with the “Squaw Valley Renaissance”, instead they chose to price them out and replace them. Just like they’ve done to a number of other businesses in the valley.

      “You don’t like it? Go somewhere else!”??? This is my home ratherride. You have one of those don’t you? A home? With people you care about and respect?

      Reply
      • ratherride says:

        John, I get it, I empathize, I even sympathize, what I’m saying is, this is how business works. Big business eats small business, it’s a bummer for the mom and pops, but such is capitalism. And the truth is, it’s not your home, it’s a business next to your home that business gets to run how they see fit. KSL thinks they can make better money without the mom and pop stores, they are probably right. So I’m not telling you to fuck off, I’m telling you that change has come, it’s here, it’s done. I just think its funny, all of these locals are pissed off at Andy and KSL, but you are still going to squaw and forking over your cash

        Reply
      • Lexie says:

        Amen Johnny! AMEN! Ratherride…you are a douche.

        Reply
    • Pumalogy says:

      Let me guess you don’t like Obama? You possibly work for KLS, or your Mom does? I’m sorry you can’t be a local, I must feel bad.
      You are right, Tahoe is heading in a certain direction fast. And big projects are facilitating this. The question is, how sustainable is it? Who does it benefit? What does it look like in the future? What is the impact on the environment, the community?
      I’ll tell you one thing, it’s very hard to buy soul. And soul sells.

      Reply
      • soulmoney says:

        Let me guess you like Obama? You possibly don’t have a job, or do but just hardly make ends meat?
        I don’t know if you have realized but those big projects make money, employ many hard working people, and will continue to do that into the future. They benefit everyone. They bring tourist to Tahoe, who put money in everyone’s pocket. Ya soul sells… to about 5,000 skiers a year. The vacation experience sells to a hell of a lot more. (5,000 skiers a year is not enough revenue to turn the lifts year after year, if you did not know. Soul may sell but it does not turn lifts.) Continuing to push those tourists away, would be the real unsustainable practice. They are the reason you get to be a local in this place so deal with it.

        Reply
        • Pirate says:

          Mmmm…ends meat is delicious.

          I don’t think anyone is saying they don’t have a right to make money or sell to more people. What is at issue in this article is making money by kicking out local business instead of supporting the foundation of what made the ski area the special place it is today.

          Reply
        • Pumalogy says:

          It is awesome how much discussion there is here. Did you just invent your new name, again? I did.
          Yes I love Obama, and that is the only judgement I make. But you think soul doesn’t sell so I say this, read Howard Schultz’s book “Onward, (“Pour your Heart into it.” H.S.). (Not H.H. D. L.) He made more money the your mama.
          So these previous questions I ask, I let you answer them. (I’d say Granite Chief would be welcome.)
          And I am not even a local, can you beleive this? I was, a long time ago, now I live in outer-space. (I am an alien an recommend you vote for La-Rouche, I mean Ron Paul). But it is politics, my friend don’t you see? I would be the first to say that, coming from Space, it is foolish not connect one resort to another, and of course KLS has a vision, and may even bee reaching out. Who knows they may have made this purchase because they love the snow! They certainly are, now, “locals”. What ‘s more, the old ski shop may have made out well, killing it and able to hang out in a surf town while sending kids to school indefinitely.
          But my point is that a scene is hard to create, and the magic is in the community. Let a little flavor seep through. Hire visionary architects, plan growth with more than underpaid foreign workers, keep a few folks who remember the past. Enrich Americans, stoke out Tahoe and California.

          Does anyone know if Squaw allow split-boards?

          Reply
      • ratherride says:

        I’ve never met Obama, so I couldnt tell you whether I like him or not. I think he is a sorry excuse for a president, although I dont see what that has to do with our discussion. No I dont work for KSL, although I’m sure they are far better empoyers than the last owners, who were sorry excuses for owners, as well as employers. And no, Im not a local, I live in civilization.

        Reply
        • Anonymous says:

          I agree, ratherride. Politics is not the subject at all. Old Squaw was no good and not sustainable as a business model. Squaw Valley Sport Shop was a good shop in some ways but could not afford the rent. I miss Granite Chief more than I’ll miss SVSS. We need business of all kinds and we need tourist dollars and more bodies to make the resort work and employ people. Many just want to point fingers at KSL for everything and anything without facts or thought. An example are the people that say that the ski shops employ “non-english speaking” and J-1′s. Elite Feet at the Resort at Squaw Creek has top flite pros working there, Sure Foot does and so does Roy at the Gold Coast Demo Center. Maybe Granite Chief will come back to Squaw Valley…

          Reply
      • Raj says:

        As an international, its the “soul” and passion, and friendliness that brings us (and many more) back to Squaw, Alpine and Kirkwood – instead of Northstar, Heavenly et al. You’re a “real skiers” mountain with real people. Far more fun that Canadian resorts. Don’t loose sight of that Andy.

        Reply
    • Pirate says:

      Yes, what California, and what the Tahoe area needs is big business. They can come in from their home bases in Arkansas or New York, set up shop, employ J1′s exclusively, and ship all that profit back to their home state. That is way better than a locally owned business employing locals, keeping profits locally so they can spend it locally on other locally owned businesses.

      Whats the point of being profitable for the local community if all we get out of it is a minimum wage job?

      Also, if you don’t like hearing people complain I am fairly certain no one is forcing you to read this website. I am pretty sure Douche Bag Weekly has a website that you would find more your speed.

      Reply
    • Hairfarmr says:

      get bent …and please shut the fuck up… you heartless bastard

      Reply
    • Anonymous says:

      1% idiot, stay in the Bay and quit going to Unofficial.

      Reply
    • Capt Crunch says:

      Right on ratherride!!! Great point! Let just give all our life savings to the wealthy in hopes it trickles down to us too….that’s the idea right? Pull Rush’s Dick out of your mouth before you decide to post something this asinine next time…

      Reply
    • Anonymous says:

      So how long you been with KSL, good benefits?

      Reply
    • Anonymous says:

      shut the fuck up you stupid fucking idiot.

      Reply
  4. You Just Don't Get It says:

    Nobody is crying non-local corporate ass kissers. This is but another sign, like the co-opting of GNAR (absolutely ludicrous that that is allowed-they should be sued!!!), that Squaw is turing into a ski resort right out of the Vail model machine to cater to non locals who will spend money, period. The guy from Florida had Andy say it himself that that’s what he cared most about. If people don’t stand up Homewood’s gonna be the next yellowstone club, and this is but another sign at Squaw that the power that be sees rate of return over absolutely everything else and the SOUL of this place will die. If you think KSL is bringing Tahoe back to life or Homewoods plan will help do anything but hurt the best shore you’re either an out of touch “local”, stand to benefit from the homoginization taking place finacially, or have no idea what the character of Tahoe ski living is all about. And taxes, dude, I get you but no…taxes don’t give people health care, education, etc. It goes to thousands of troops in auatralia, afgh., Iraq, etc. and all the new bombs to get ready for the next war. That’s where your precious taxes go, brah. And just for the fuck of it, “California needs big buisness right now and I for one welcome it” let’s just think about this guy’s message and what that means for ANYTHING local. This doesn’t have to be and us vs. them thing, but it sure is growing to be just that!

    Reply
    • ratherride says:

      Guess what, I bring my own SOUL to every mountain when I ride, I dont give a crap about “the soul of this place” what a joke. I have been boarding all over the world, Squaw locals are the biggest babies Ive met. Its no secret that resorts dont make their money off of locals, thats an industry normality, would you rather Andy lie about it? “If people dont stand up” whata joke!!!! Stand up to what?! We are not talking about a civil rights issue here! What are you suggesting here, “occupy Squaw?!” Face it people, Squaw was a broke ass, beat up, nonprofit “resort” with some of the best lines in the country. If you want “SOUL”, get your lazy hippy liberal ass to the backcountry!

      Reply
      • Pirate says:

        ratherride-
        The fact that you are such a douche is one thing, but when you flat out lie that is where I draw the line. I’m fairly certain running if the Cushing’s ran a “non-profit” resort (poor choice of words unless you are trying to be ironic), then they couldn’t afford to summer in Newport, Rhode Island. But they did, so they probably did ok financially.

        Furthermore, if you want to berate someone’s politics there are other websites to do that on. Please confine your douchiness to those websites.

        Reply
        • ratherride says:

          AssPirate, I get that the Cushings made money. Non-Profit is obviosly an exaggeration. I think it’s also obvious that they didnt run the buisnes very well, and I doubt they made the profit thats Squaw’s potential can allow.

          Furthermore, I never brought up politics, I was however, reponding to a cirtainly politacly charged post, so if you dont mind(or if you do) I will confine my douchiness to this wbsite, thank you

          Reply
      • mike kazanjy says:

        Continue to board all over the world. Go to vail, they like money. Squaw valley is a place, not a resort. Period.

        Reply
      • mike says:

        lazy people don’t go in the backcountry.

        Reply
  5. sport shop employee says:

    f u ksl. first taits and now this? you just kicked out the only reputable ski shop left in the entire valley. the willards and their employees really represented the spirit of skiing at squaw. prior to this they were getting raped by the huge profits already paid to the resort (which made a profitable small business into a break-even type of venture), and now they’re kicked out? wow. where are the moral standards? the exploitation and takeover of small business is reason #1 the american economy is in the shitter. thanks for participating ksl. chammy next? i sure hope not… I urge people to continue to give support to the sport shop and other locally owned businesses. and a sincere thank you to dennis and chris for all you’ve done to support the local skiing community.

    Reply
  6. Flipper D says:

    Its just one sad story after another, terrible to see the shop get kicked out. Good luck to the owners and know that YOU and not KSL are the ones who made squaw what it was.

    Reply
  7. neato says:

    I never really liked that place anyway… they didn’t really cater to locals other than tuning. If you liked a sweet boegner one piece for $1000 with a little fir it was probably a great place. Worst soft goods ever… hard goods were great but over priced. Have you ever been to their shop in TC.. probably the worst ski shop I have ever been into to.

    Reply
    • Agree says:

      Agreed. Pretty much nailed it.

      Reply
    • mike kazanjy says:

      Agreed. And how about $75 for a simple mount? These guys were the only shope in the valley with a Look jig, and knew it. I paid it, more than once, because I was to drunk or lazy to drive to tc or truckee and it wqs dumping….. But cone on guys. The shop kinda sucked.

      Reply
    • squawboarder says:

      Agreed. Never bought a thing there, but I do remember the buzzed staff being know-it-all dicks to me.

      Reply
    • Raj says:

      i MUST DISAGREE. The Shop staff were very helpful with tips for tourists, and I think we discovered River Ranch, Start Haus, Snowbomb, Christys and a few really nice places to eat or stay at because of them.

      Reply
  8. Anonymous says:

    you sniveling little beatches, Andy Wirth is the man, all you past bronze and silver pass holders don’t remember how he gave you Christmas and New years days as a bonus last year on those blackout days, and how he hands out cookies to everyone he can. Now you turn on the hand that feeds you. Such an ungrateful crowd here.
    If Andy decides that he wants prime retail locations in the village for his wonderful Renaissance, who are we to argue? He is after all, the Decider. If he wants to have marketing promotions like the GNAR Burger and sit up on the eagles nest looking like he’s about to crap his pants for a photo op in a new shiny magazine to get more people to spend their money at Squaw, so what I ask? He created McConkey, afterall.

    Reply
    • neato says:

      jesus christ.. i think you are right, Andy Wirth is God! well merry christmas andy, now where is our fucking snow that you promised us?

      Reply
    • The Cookie Monster says:

      You like Andy Wirth as Squaw’s CEO because he hands out Cookies? Really dude? What are you 7?

      Reply
      • Anonymous says:

        7 really? Cookiedoucheter? Is that your IQ? Do you not understand sarcasm?? I remember waaaaay back in the day when I had my first Squaw pass too,,,,

        Reply
  9. EC Money says:

    GNAR BURGERS for all!

    Reply
  10. ratherridedick says:

    I have such a raging opinion right now! Look at it! Look at my huge opinion! My opinion is so much bigger than yours!

    Reply
  11. argentino says:

    Hey, i didn´t have this cool experience in this shop. Anytime. i am sorry, i might be a Southamerican not so rad.
    In my opinion, its a contract that didn´t got renewed!

    Reply
  12. notdown says:

    KSL only wants YOUR money. BTW. when was the last time squaw didnt blow snow on the mountain run and open that first? Thanks you KSL really enjoy the red dog freeway. Anonymous,Ratherride. Id bring up the silverado issue from last year to but you two wont remember that (judging by your posts 1.niether of you live here or have ever lived in a mountain town wich means you cant comprehand the situation B. you most likely chase money for a living. and 3. you will still spend said money at Squaw and go back home on sunday with the same shit eating grin regardless of who owns it. so in leu of all this information i provided you. You do not belong in this conversation

    Reply
    • asquawnamous says:

      Year before last and the year before that. Early season snowmaking priority switched to Red Dog/Squaw Creek a number of years ago. Last year the MR opened on snow-making was 06/07.

      Reply
  13. Jo says:

    It sucks they have to standardize everything and kick out a small business, but sometimes places like vail bring good things. North-star sure is better now. A little more expensive, but there is more terrain and lifts, and glade runs…… and smores.

    be positive, you live in the mountains. there is lots to look forward too.

    Reply
    • mike kazanjy says:

      did I just read a northstar endorsement? on unofficial? seriously? that place is seriously my favorite mountain in tahoe. It keeps all the wackness away from the good mountains.

      oh and, your mom skis at northstar.

      Reply
  14. Notmuchintelligence says:

    First –

    This trend is BAD…it will negatively impact and eventually destroy the valley and north shore local.

    Rents will increase, owners (Landlords) will sell or remodel and throw the few remaining crash pads into some faceless vacation rental pool.

    As locals leave all small businesses suffer…their rents increase and profits shrink

    Look at Tahoe City …. it was booming ten years ago

    Now it is DEAD!

    Locals left…tourists cannot sustain year round businesses

    Northshore will die a painful death

    Locals will be pushed into truckee and beyond

    Sad times

    Reply
    • Veruca Salt says:

      dude.. this post is like 7 yrs late.. Not sure if you’re aware but housing prices on the north shore are the lowest they’ve been in nearly 10 years. Tahoe City is dead because everyone cashed out in the early part of last decade.. with housing prices falling, more locals will be able to buy (if hedgefunders like KSL don’t scoop up all the real estate before then) and hopefully TC will see a resurgence in local business, commerce, activity and the like..

      Reply
      • Notmuchintelligence says:

        I hope you are right…but since a 3bedroom/2bath home in north lake still averages $550,000 I do not think to many locals will be running to buy. Unless you got into a home in the mid-90′s or earlier, Tahoe is not accessible anymore…to make it worse commercial rents in Tahoe city have gone UP UP UP despite business going down down down.

        Look at the turnover at Boatworks Mall…

        Commercial rents are going up an average of $2400.00 a year EVERY YEAR…many businesses barely net a sustainable income. Yet they pay $20,000 more in rent today than they did in 2002. Yet make less money

        This is the downward slide/spiral that is accelerated by KSL type corporations…

        Sorry but, I do not share your rose colored glasses….the “new locals” will be H2 Visa workers brought in from some sexy south american country to fill seasonal jobs…Just like Summit County Co, Aspen, Whistler and so many other once great local towns…Tahoe will final be a pure resort with no dirty subarus clogging the pretty snow covered streets.

        Reply
        • Veruca Salt says:

          I’m a glass is half full kind of guy!!.. Seriously, so tired of being pessimistic about the future outlook of this area that I’ve got to sport the rosey colored glasses once in a while. I hear what your saying but there are more homes on the market in the 300K range (not that I can afford) than in the past 5 years or so. I’ve also heard that commercial rents have come down a bit.. Now I totally get what you’re saying and since 2002 the market has been dismal and a 10% increase in rent annually is hardly sustainable and frankly, ludicrous… but, I think, hope that there will be some grand realization that will turn the tide.. Agreed that the H2 visa thing needs to be addressed by the CA legislature at some point or this is just going to keep happening over and over again.

          Reply
          • asquawnamous says:

            They are actually J-1 student visas for the most part, very few H-2′s and those are for skilled positions. Face it the jobs the J-1 are filling and the time frame (now till march) for which they are needed aren’t in demand by local ski bums and current snow conditions aside, there is no shortage of jobs for local ski bums willing to make 8.00 an hour. They also spend damn near every penny they make here, and then some since most are from affluent family’s. Additionally, most of them are better workers then the typical entitled stoner American ski bum. H-2 positions are ski instructors, patrollers and the like

    • Raj says:

      Can’t disagree – another resort is replacing old 1950s housing with affordable places to build a local presence all year round. They know locals are valuable in more ways than one

      Reply
  15. notdown says:

    And one last thing if any one is the man around here it was Alex Cushing He made this place what it was and now this dick you refer to as the MAN is fucking it all up for some bullshit money. Rad thanks again KSL.

    Reply
  16. I worked for the Squaw Valley Sport Shop (SVSS) for 3 years when I first moved to Tahoe and what is know is that the SVSS is owned by an amazing family who has contributed on many levels to the community and to the success of many individuals who call the SVSS home rather than a shop.

    While working at the SVSS I met countless pro skiers, mountaineers, community leaders, and others that I look up to and have helped shape my life. Hearing about KSL not renewing their lease was a tough pill to swallow as their decision is not only shutting down a shop, but tearing a little bit of life out of the community. If you know the Willard’s than you have great respect for their family and what they have accomplished in their 35 years at the Squaw location. As a community we have just lost part of what makes N. Tahoe/Squaw a great place and when you take the heart and soul out of a community you are left with a hollow shell. I feel that KSL is great at business but terrible about community building and if they keep on this path, the community will cease to exist as a community is much more than just businesses.

    My thoughts are with the Willard’s this Holiday season as they just got a lump of coal from KSL. I would also encourage other commentators to think before they speak as you are talking about an established family who has worked tirelessly to make the community a better place and if you dont know what your talking about it might be best not to say anything @ratherride

    Reply
    • ratherride says:

      Thats ok guys, I can be the bad guy here, often, the voice of reason is. I know enough, been to the shop a ton of times, everyone was very nice, but the store sucked. I truly feel bad for the family, but there are plenty of people losing jobs every day, its shitty, thats life today, grow up, get over it. Hey Harry, if the shop was as great as all you guys said, they mustv ahve made a killing, right? so I guess they propbably have a bunch of cash saved up, no worries….. right?

      Reply
      • Notmuchintelligence says:

        Sorry Bro,

        You do not get it…these moves by KSL at squaw, JMA at Homewood and Vail at N-Star all work AGAINST longterm sustainability

        You are either too young or simply do not live in the area to know the negative impact and downward spiral this will have

        Look at Tahoe City 10-12 years ago

        Look at it today – GHOST TOWN

        I was born in Tahoe, Live in Tahoe and own business and home in Tahoe…my kids go to school in Tahoe –

        These moves will not help local small business…since it is the day to day local that we need to keep our doors open year round

        Bad days are here again

        Reply
        • Veruca Salt says:

          With all due respect NMI.. the sole reason that Tahoe City is a ghost town is because the real estate market took off giving locals a chance to sell out, move somewhere cheaper and pocket the huge chunk of equity in their homes.. Investors, and second homeowners moved in. Commercial rents went through the roof. Businesses shut down because the local, year ’round population dwindled, and real estate market tanked. I agree that this sort of market cannot sustain/support a year ’round community.. But quite honestly, we’ve made our own bed. If those same people had the foresight not to sell their homes and move to either Truckee or Reno, Tahoe City would be thriving right now. Fortunately, we’re starting to see a reduction in commercial rents which will hopefully drive new business opportunites which will hopefully allow more locals to reinvest in the area before they get priced out of the market again. Hopefully, this time we will all have learned a lesson and can create the sustainable community we all want.

          Reply
        • that comment was directed @ratherride

          Reply
          • ratherride says:

            Notmuchintelligence, I hear exactly what you are saying, I dont disagree with everything you are saying. Yes I am young, and no, I dont live in Tahoe, but I think I have a good understanding of how buisnes works, and how to make buisness work. I disagree with you and many of the locals about what will help Tahoe grow. Thats ok, this kind of dicusion is important. There are two different issues here. 1. the socalled SOUL of squaw. 2. The Economy of Tahoe and even California and the Finacial well being of those who reside in both. My concern is as a Californian and is for the later. On that point it seems that you and I have a fundamental disagreement as to what is good for locals as well as Californians. I think KSL can and will bring much needed value to the North lake. You are right, it is a ghost town out there right now, but it was like that before KSL. We NEED night life. we NEED condos. We NEED summer vacationers. I get that you all dont agree, but I guess only time will tell.

            Harry, sweet comeback bro!

          • Veruca Salt says:

            @rather.. I understand where you’re coming from, but you do realize that KSL is a capital equity firm who doesn’t give a shit about sustainable, long term community goals? They care about one thing and one thing only at all costs and that is short term (5-7yrs) profitability for their investors. They come into an area purchase the local resources (in this case Squaw) chop the shit out of it by cutting anyone (save for management) making a decent wage/salary, reduce operational costs, increase prices thus “improving operational performance.” How is this good for Squaw, Tahoe, or California? When their business model is to give huge incentives for management to cut operational costs (see wages), employ part time employees and take in house any and all business ventures among it’s holdings?

            I get that Squaw is theirs to do what they want with but what most people here are saying is that when does it stop?

      • twoplankplant says:

        SOUL TROLL

        Reply
    • Heckler says:

      Yeah, but did you ever smoke weed with Jumbo M up in the tuning room. Props to you if ya did.

      I myself did many lines right there on the shop bench. Back in th
      I’m sorry to see it go.e day we would stop in for a few bumps then go out for a few more bumps.

      Reply
      • Pat_A says:

        Only true locs ever have gotten in or even know about the clock tower. If you know you know. Thanks for this one Kiethy!

        Reply
  17. mike kazanjy says:

    And whats up with the racism in the original post? Sounds like a bunch of ‘merican “they took er jobs” bullshit to me. Cant we at least wait to see what its replaced with first before the bitch parade begins?

    Reply
  18. Brian the Zealot says:

    Move the shop to one of the zillion empty spots in Truckee or Tahoe City and I will support it. The Willards should be able to get cheaper rent than they were getting before, as the economy pretty much sucks everywhere else and “For Lease” looks like a neighborhood theme slogan. Quite frankly, I would rather KSL suck Bay Area money through lame restaurants that I couldn’t care less about anyway. I will buy my gear in town. That way pass prices can stay under control. Let’s face it, the VILLAGE COULD BURN TO THE F’ING GROUND, AND THE MOUNTAIN WILL STILL BE RAD.

    Reply
    • SkiKid says:

      True story. Its the mountain and the people on it that make squaw what it is. Its just a bummer we have to support the corporate ski machine to play there…

      Reply
  19. Andrew says:

    Might want to rethink posting an email with the semi xenophobic phrase, “After the shops that currently employ expert and passionate individuals are replaced by shops employing non-English speaking foreign exchange students who know nothing but to stuff your gear in a machine and press the “verde” button, what is left?”

    Reply
    • Notmuchintelligence says:

      It is true though…KSL imports labor through “hiring clinics” in far away lands

      Reply
      • mike kazanjy says:

        Dude, squaw and every major resort in the us has used foreing seasonal labor for a very long time. History, get acquainted before you spout from your hole.

        Reply
    • Veruca Salt says:

      political incorrectness is fcuking retarded. It is what it is and that’s the truth. Look around town right now. Go to Tahoe City SaveMart or KB safeway or Northstar, Squaw or anywhere else. They import labor for S. America, why? Because our idiot politicians say if your only here on a work visa than you don’t have to pay FICA thus saving roughly 7.5% of wages off the bat.

      Reply
      • Veruca Salt says:

        should read, “political correctness is fcuking retarded”

        Reply
        • Andrew says:

          I agree people are way too PC these days but for those of us who were born in foreign countries, and who have friends/family members who can say the same, some who have been fortunate enough to work at a ski resort on one of these programs statements such as the one above can be construed in a completely different context. Until you are stopped by police and asked for “papers” based on your looks or told to speak English or go home you don’t really have an argument to make against me.

          The real motive and point behind my statement was that if this site wants to be taken seriously by real companies (e.g. if they ever have thoughts of seriously trying to monetize this) they need to think about everything that is associated with their brand. Constructive criticism. Obviously the level of reading comprehension isn’t very high here.

          Reply
      • asquawnamous says:

        WRONG, a few countries have tax treaties to limit having to pay in both countries. However J1 visa holders are subject to taxation and may apply for exemption to the limit established by their home country. Pointless though, since none of them will make over the standard exemptions anyway.

        As for the payroll tax side of it, why should employers have to pay in to Soc Sec, medicare and federal unemployment taxes for workers that will not draw from these systems?

        Reply
  20. Christi Gregorak says:

    My family has patronized Squaw Valley Sports Shop for over 15 years. I have loved having a local shop at the base of our mountain staffed by locals who know what the hell they are doing. I broused through Marmot and North Face this week and the sales people really don’t know jack. I am very very sad to see SVSS leave and am going to go spend alot of money there before they go. If they touch Chammy, I’m gonna cry because I met my husband there over a beer.

    Reply
    • Zzzzzzzz says:

      I believe the SV retail employees are on a rotating schedule which doesn’t allow for the employees to become experts or knowledgable with the products they are selling.

      Reply
  21. JayT says:

    KSL … even making Vail look good. Wow.

    Reply
  22. tango says:

    IF they even think about messing with Dave’s there will be hell to pay…

    Reply
  23. shippen says:

    i’m an east coast rat, but was lucky enough to hit squaw in 2008, before this debacle buyout happened. I fell in love with the place during the visit, and now i realize that it will never be the same. the mountain, snow and terrain are still legendary – but this corporate BS takes the soul away from the hills. RIP. I’ll probably never go back… the move to jackson looks even better now.

    Reply
  24. soulmoney says:

    I have the best solution for all of you KSL/Andy haters… You have got to stand up to the man and boycott squaw! Especially on powder days!

    Reply
    • neato says:

      wicked good idea soulmoney. maybe you should start an occupy wall street protest at squaw with all of your bros. those things are so cool and gaining some really awesome popularity nationwide, totally working too as you can see. maybe set up a camp right at the base of KickTurn22 to boycott andy worthless and squaw valley usa. the more unemployed unregister voters, the better. i am just really rooting for you that it will gain popularity. totally sick broo!!

      Reply
      • soulmoney says:

        No. You are an idiot. boycott squaw means stay away, so i can have all your powder. 99% of the powder is skied by 1% of the skiers. I am the 1%

        Reply
    • Anonymous says:

      Yes, especially weekend powder days! Squaw is ruined, it’s no good to ski here on powder days anymore. Stay on the couch and play video games and take more bong hits. We will send a note to your girlfriend who is working on the mountain to support you.

      Reply
  25. Zzzzzzzz says:

    How long until KSL buys the Unofficial Networks HQ near the post office……..The end is near……..The Mayans were right about 2012……..

    Reply
  26. Jeff Wright says:

    As a squaw local (on my 7th year, which used to be the loose definition, as per McConkey) and former SVSS employee the Sport Shop will be greatly missed. Like any family owned business the Sport Shop was not without it’s problems but you’d be hard pressed (in good times and bad) to find a community event or fundraiser that Dennis and Kris didn’t gladly and quietly contribute to.

    As a newbie I was challenged by them and quickly rewarded with a significant 30% raise barely into my first year. This raise kept me from starving and kept me drinking dollar chammy Budweiser that first year. This would have never happened at the similar Ski Corp job I was offered and I can’t imagine KSL in todays regimented corporate structure a supervisor having the autonomy to reward hardwork with anything more than a .50 cent raise here or .10 there. After the raise I worked even harder (and provided great knowledgable service) and every penny went back into the local economy and even had a factor in being able to stay in Tahoe and eventually start my own local business.

    If an Arcteryx jacket’s retail price was $450 at Backcountry.com we sold it for $450 as well. We weren’t selling 2nd tier or overstocked merch from 3 years ago (the industry is changing, instead of pre-selling 5,000 jackets to retailers and producing 10,000 in turn dumping the remaining 5000 at cut rate prices to discount stores (sports basement, sierra trading post, steep and cheap )companies have gone back to only making what has been ordered. You’ll begin to see less and less quality merchandise at cut rate prices from these outlets). Prices will go up everywhere or manufactures will cut corners and quality will suffer. Yeah, the Boner, I mean Bogner didn’t appeal to your average Shred but his mom bought it, and you appreciated her looking hot when you were hitting on her at 22 or if you were really lucky when she had progressed to the Dub at 1am.

    Sure an SVSS mount might cost you $5 or $10 more than your local ski chalet but you can be sure the Williard’s overhead was far more than the 5% or 10% less than you paid at Johns Ski and Patio, plus you were skiing on your new purchase the next day. The same with the tunes, does your home shop even offer overnight tunes?

    All and all, it’s pretty obvious that Andy and KSL can, and will, do what ever they want. They are a company who has obligations to make money, you can’t blame them for this. We will still ski at Squaw. If you have the chance, shop with mom and pop, go to the SportShop buy from Dennis and Kris, and if you have Andy’s ear tell him how you feel.

    We’ll miss you,

    Jeff

    Reply
    • Anna says:

      Well said Jeff! Change was inevitable once KSL came into the picture…it’s all about showing the largest profit margin they can before they flip it in a few years. I had a great run at the SVSS and I’ll be hard pressed to find another job with bosses more family-oriented who gave me such a flexible schedule! I consider myself very lucky to have been a part of the SVSS family, and I have made many lifelong friends working there! Not sure what the future will bring for me or for Squaw, but I’ll still be skiing there…and I’ll probably see you at the Chammy! :-)

      Reply
  27. TBST says:

    Wow….amazing discussion. Politics and other BS aside. A couple of you hit the nail on the head….this KSL model is smart, it is going to make few folks (who have a denver area code) a whole lot of money…but this “economic development” is based on real estate development, which is not sustainable. There is only so much land here in the basin. Once it becomes the urban sprawl that Vail is, these fools will move on to the next, collect their money, destroy whatever local vibe was there, and not lose and sleep over it. Wake up, be aware, have a voice, and let people know your thoughts. The future of Tahoe is in the balance.

    Reply
  28. Kevin says:

    I hope I get to snake every one of you pussies this year, be it in lift lines or above lines. @Ratherride, you’re my fucking hero. 100% truth.

    Reply
  29. skibs says:

    ratherride is the bigest gaping v ever, “boarding all over the world”, keep on boarding dood, and fuck squaw

    Reply
  30. Rat says:

    Here’s an idea for all the KSL haters…just ride and smile about it. Bring your own lunch, beer and good times. If the money we spend in the village is not going to stay in our community I have no use to give my money to it.
    Every day I ride I bring my own sandwich and a couple of beers and a water. This comes from years of riding at small east coast hills with just a lodge and lifts.
    I am a broke local that works on the hill for my pass. I refuse to pay $53 dollars for a “gnar” burger and would never pay $7 for a pint. Let’s get our heads togeather and destroy any powder that falls this year and return as little of our paychecks back to KSL.
    I will shop at my local TC shops even though my discount would get me less expensive gear at the mountian. Fuck corporate ski areas. Bring back the parking lot to hill with a simple lodge between. Bring back tailgating in the lot and simple lodges. Low overhead, more function, more ski area.

    Reply
    • Rat says:

      And I want my 20 minuets I spent reading ratherride’s idiotic posts. You are not a local of any sort and I am sure your a gaper with your mom’s credit card. Park your dad’s landroaver over a cliff please.

      Reply
      • ratherride says:

        wow, 20 minutes is a long time, you must not read too well. Those 20 minutes are long gone big guy, sorry. Not a local, no moms credit card, and the Landrovers broken down again, thanks for playing…… I guess its 25 minutes now huh? sorry to waste your time.

        Reply
    • mike kazanjy says:

      SVSS kinda sucked. It was shitty compared to GC and would have never survived without its amazing real estate positioning. The $75 for a mount irked me when the same mount would have cost $50 at GC (before they closed shop) and $35 at one of many local shops in Mammoth. Sorry, I used the M word. I’m not a local at Squaw. But I don’t really think that should really matter. This local vs. bay area thing has really got to stop. Because there are a lot of us (who split time between the bay and tahoe) that used to live in the mountains, and decided that being a lifer wasn’t for us. I’m still there on every powder day, whether its a wednesday or a saturday. And because I have a decent job in the bay, I can guarantee I spend more money in my 3-4 days a week in local-owned squaw establishments than most locals do in a week, and probably a month.

      What makes you special? The fact that you’re broke and don’t know how to get yourself a decent paying job? The fact that you live in Tahoe and have for maybe 2 years since your mommy and daddy cut you off? Fuck dude, grow up and realize that you live in a competitive society. Work hard. Make money. Buy things and experiences. Or you can bitch, moan and beg. That’s how this thing called life works.

      I worked for the mountain at one point too. Then I picked my ass up and decided that there was a better way to live and still get the thing that actually matters: ski days and powder days. And I bet I get more than you do. While never claiming “broke local”. Sad about being broke? Get a real fucking job.

      Re-read your last two sentences. Sounds like Alpine Meadows to me. All this local whining is the same thing as occupy. If you got yourself a god damn job, you wouldn’t be such a whiny little bitch.

      Reply
      • DT says:

        You have a sad perspective. Hopefully you can afford to pay a life coach to be your friend and improve your outlook on things.

        Reply
        • mike kazanjy says:

          sad perspective? or maybe you are jealous of people who can work remotely and life your dream, without having to be a broke ass.

          way to hide behind your initials too, puss.

          Reply
        • Andy H says:

          “And because I have a decent job in the bay, I can guarantee I spend more money in my 3-4 days a week in local-owned squaw establishments than most locals do in a week, and probably a month

          Work hard. Make money. Buy things and experiences”

          Typical mindset, money may mean a lot to you but it does not hold so much importance to me. I live experiences I don’t buy them. I and most around here could give a rats ass how much you spend in your time here. Yeah, well I may make less than you but I live here 365 days a year. I spend ALL of my money here.

          I think quite a few of the outsiders here are mistaken in there characterizations of the locals here. Most of my friends and myself included are quite overqualified for there positions. Most have degrees from top flight colleges and universities. The bottom line here is that I’ve made an informed decision to be here and to do what I’m doing. I understand how the world works, I’m not the naive trust funder that you want to think I am. I’ve made difficult decisions to put me in the place where I am, and I want to be here. I work very hard to be underpaid. I’m not complaining about being broke, I’m complaining about people who don’t live here trying to tell me that they know more about the world than I do based exclusively on the fact that they don’t live here.

          We’ve taken different paths in life. Skiing is my passion, It is more valuable to me than anything else. Your passion appears to be money. I could tell you at length why I think that’s a defficient mindset, but why? It’s your life, it’s your money. Enjoy your time here, We can both share the mountain despite our different outlooks, but please spare me the condesension.

          Reply
          • mike kazanjy says:

            Andy, if you’re who I think you are, I’ve met you and skied with you on a couple of occasions (I think you have a sort of beat up saab). You seem like a really good guy, and I have nothing against you or any of your friends. You are not complaining, and that was not directed at you. I know many guys who are extremely well educated and over qualified for the low level jobs they work in tahoe. I used to be one of them. You guys made a choice that I had an opportunity to make, but couldn’t bring myself to commit to it at 23. And I still can’t. Yet.

            I love mountains, and have lived in them for great portions of my life. I also love cities. I am torn. It sucks. I envy many lifers’ ability to give up on city life completely.

            My passion is not money. It is travel, skiing and life experience. If my passion were money, I wouldn’t be in Squaw 4 days a week. And I think you know that. I am torn with ambivalence about where to live and work. I believe that you and I both work to live, not the opposite. I do it with a larger footprint, and that’s part of my ambivalence.

            I’m not a rich guy. Not at all. I make enough money to afford myself some new skis, some plane tickets from time to time and gas for my car to get my ass up the hill. I have a goal of buying my home a couple miles northwest of lake tahoe. And I made an informed decision to make and save more money by selling out for a while so I don’t have to live paycheck to paycheck in my mountain future.

            I don’t plan to buy any $7 pints at the new shitty bar. I buy cans at savemart and if I want to “go out” I buy beer and a hand roll and maybe some cheap beers at the slot. I would suggest the same of people who are hard up in the mountains.

            There is a lot of passion here about unfortunate changes to something we all love. My condescension comes from being shit on as a “weekender” for the last 5 years, by kids who have spent maybe a season or two in tahoe. It’s probably unfounded here. Apologies. It’s never the good people who are saying “fuck the citiots”.

          • mike kazanjy says:

            great example of shitty “local” attitude below:

      • Rat says:

        Stoked you moved to the bay, stoked you feel you get more ride days than me and laughing that you think I am whining or make minimum wage.
        I am well established in Tahoe, I have graduated college with a dagree and been supporting myself since my first job at 15. That might seem a little weird to you bay area people but out east we learn how to work and play at a young age. Just a heads up 156 days last year, my biggest and no less than 105 for the previous 4 that I have been in Tahoe. So talley up your days and let me know.
        And I never shopped at SVSS, nor am I a gaper that would pay $75 for a mount. It’s just sad to see another old Village shop close. It’s not like a shop with lower end equpment or soft goods will replace it. It was just nice to know the family was local.
        Reread my post and maybe you’ll get that I am talking about the ski areas I grew up riding on the east coast. I know reading is hard buddy. Ding care what you spend in our mountiane town, I care about the vibe you put off. I feel like your vibe sucks so please stay in the bay.

        Reply
        • mike kazanjy says:

          “I am a broke local that works on the hill for my pass. ”
          “I am well established in Tahoe”

          Those two statements don’t really agree with each other. If you were a business owner in town, you’d care how much money is spent in “your” mountain town.

          I’ve been skiing and supporting local business in tahoe for a lot longer than you have. And I’m the weekend gaper. You’re being a hater, for no reason.

          And, I was suggesting that if you want to tailgate in the parking lot and walk up past a lodge to the lifts, that you go ski at Alpine. That’s exactly what you were describing. There was clearly a reason you left your shitty hill on the east coast, right? If you want the mix of quaint lodge and sick terrain, go to Alpine. You’ll probably like it.

          Reply
          • notdown says:

            think ill tailgate at squaw if thats ok with you mike kazanjy

          • Rat says:

            Don’t know what’s shitty about my attitude mike. I don’t want to spend my money in a resort village that profits investors who are not in Tahoe, some not in this state and also not even in this country (Canada). Instead I prefer to forgo my discount at these village shops and take my money into the town where I live and I know the majority of it stays.

            I deffinatlt have a shitty locals attitude. Moron.
            You will also see me tailgating in the squaw lot, and any ski area I visit because I don’t visit a resort/ ski area for it’s village. I am there for the snow.

            Take your bay area money and flash it around like a hot shot any where you want. Tell everyone your pissed to have to drop $75 to mount skis because you were to much of an idiot to go into town.
            I don’t care for your bay area I am better than you because I got a real job attitude. I chose a lifestyle of physical and mental bliss over chasing monetary comfort. Have fun at your desk and driving i80 to come where I spend almost every day.

        • mike kazanjy says:

          and I never said more than you. I don’t know you. I was saying more days than I would have been able to get as a local. me in the bay vs. me in tahoe. I know, it’s a complex, hypothetical concept, but you seem fairly intelligent (you know, college degree and all), so I have faith that you can figure it out.

          Reply
  31. Anonymous says:

    Good article at Moonshine Ink online regarding the story on SVSS
    http://moonshineink.com/articles.php?issue=6&id=2611

    Reply
  32. crustylocal says:

    I heard Andy was going to put a strip club in that spot. I’m looking forward to not having to drive to Reno for boobies anymore.

    Reply
  33. Andy H says:

    So where does it end? So many arguments here rely on the “stop complaining, that’s just business” standpoint. So money should always rein supreme over our homes our lives and our communities. Weekenders from the Bay may not understand that a squaw is a home and community first, then a business. At what point do we stop giving away all that is dear because it’s just business. How far is too far? When am I allowed to start complaining? No one forced KSL to get into the ski business. I don’t see the sympathy directed towards them, “well….they have to make money” They are already a billion dollar company, they need more at my expense??? Alex Cushing was a super rich guy who owned a ski area because he was already rich, he just loved to ski. KSL is a collection of super rich guys who want to wring every last cent out of the mountain Alex built before they move on. Sad state of affaris.

    Reply
    • mike kazanjy says:

      Andy, good points man. I agree that there is a definitely a point where the corporate co-opting of a mountain is going to hurt everyone, not just locals. I get really tired of hearing people who sound so proud to be a broke ass local in a ski town. We all know that Squaw cannot be that home without cash infusions from either tourists or bay area commuters. Even if they stripped down the mountain to just lifts and the chammy and olympic house, it would still take more than 10,000 silver passes and 20,000 $14 pitchers to run everything. Should that give private equity companies free reign to destroy the heart, soul and history of a mountain? No, obviously not. But philanthropic and iconic rich ski bums (Alex Cushing, Dave McCoy) are really had to come by. Let’s hope that one day some rich bay area tech guy like Mark Zuckerberg or Dave Morin decides that he’s had enough of silicon valley and just wants to ski and provide an amazing ski experience to his friends and compatriots.

      Honestly, I blame the estates and families (Nancy) of the likes of Cushing and McCoy for not carrying on the tradition. They sold. And people who buy businesses are generally trying to improve their margins, which often ends up with a shittier user experience. It sucks, and it really is a sad state of affairs, but what can we do about it? Talk about the glory days and complain about the new world order? Fuck that. I’d rather buy in. You can’t change any system without being a part of it first, and people who disagree with that are fools.

      Reply
      • Brandon Walsh says:

        Mike,
        I feel that you are strongly misguided and extremely ego-centric. Because you have a job in the bay, once lived and worked here, and fancy yourself to get in as many powder days as those of us who live here, doesn’t give you the right or authority to make many of the statements you previously have on this forum.

        To “blame” anyone is a walking contradiction to many of your previous statements. If you decided that living in Tahoe wasn’t for you, no worries and all due respect. However, boasting about the money you spend on your days off here and comparing it to that of me or my friends is both childish and immature.

        Good for you and your high paying job. Don’t make the mistake of assuming that all of us haven’t walked away from your life to live ours. You have made several good points in your debates. I would however urge you to slow down and think before you write.

        I, unlike you, pride myself on the fact that I live and work in Tahoe. It is difficult at times to “make ends meet,” but I do. So do many of my friends. That is no badge of honor or claim to be a broke ass ski bum. It is simply rewarding to know that I have stepped away from the Bay, what society has told me to do, and followed what makes me happy. I cant help but know that somewhere in the back of you mind that makes you upset. Reading this will make you upset. You are upset that you HAVE to work remotely to conform to meeting your parents and societies expectations of what you think you should be. You’re angry that you can’t live here ALL the time. I know you are never excited to get in your car and drive 3-5 hours back to the Bay instead of getting to hang out and swap stories about the day with your home just a short 7 miles away.

        But hey, we all make decisions, right? Slow down and listen to that little inner voice inside you that knows what is happening as mentioned in this article would strike a nerve if you still lived here. Quit throwing your stones my friend.

        We will see you on the hill…

        Reply
        • mike kazanjy says:

          You’re completely right. But know that my decision was that of delayed gratification, not of societal pressure. There are certainly shitty attitudes toward bay area folks. I began by saying that the store kind of sucked, but that it is unfortunate that they were priced out. Then, I addressed tension between tahoe locals and bay area commuters. it needs to end, and I aimed to explain why we need each other. The economics of small communities are exceedingly simple: it always benefits the community to export goods and services to outsiders. Corporate overlords who aim to own the means of production in a small community are the enemy here, not potentially misguided contributors to that community’s economy.

          i stand by my original statements with less swearing and condescension. If people are feeling priced out, they have three options: make more money, consume less or opt out completely. Maybe four: get creative.

          Reply
          • Brandon Walsh says:

            Mike Kazanjy,

            It is with great hesitation that I enter in to a “debate” with you as I feel I have already made my point. However, I can’t help but comment on one thing you mentioned in your retort, of which simply re-capped in a less aggressive manner the method in which you went about your crude and again, misguided statements. That said, I will not respond after this statement.

            The comment I would like to address is this:
            “The economics of small communities are exceedingly simple: it always benefits the community to export goods and services to outsiders.”

            I believe the point the original author was attempting to make argues this statement to its core. If all Squaw, Tahoe, or “small communities” were to live by this philosophy, then one would be left to believe that that specific economy is entirely dependent on outside money. Therefore, the only shops, stores, commerce existing within a small community are there to cater to the needs of the same outside money. That being the case and all things equal, what type of sustainability is there the other, say, seven months encompassing April-October that you and your cronies aren’t here spending your money? If all the commerce and shops are owned and operated by big business, catering to outside and more often than not greater economic resources, there is no money injected into the local economy the other 7 months of the year.

            Now, you may argue that the 5 months you and the other tourists inject “wealth” in the economy will and does more than offset the remaining 7 months, I ask you this.

            When the “Big Business” doesn’t meet their bottom line and things go south, what happens to them? They close up shop, vacate the real estate, and open a new store in the next “hot location.” On the other side, a locally owned and operated store has more vested interest in the community. They have a family that is dependent on the survival of their business. They have a relationship with the people they employ, identify with these employees, and have employees that are just as dependent on the success of that business.

            All said, I believe your statement to be incorrect.

        • ratherride says:

          Ok, Brandon….. no kidding….. did you just take a huge rip off a bong before that post? I mean, read it back to yourself for God’s sake!

          Reply
          • mike kazanjy says:

            no need to be a dick.

          • Rat says:

            Who is this kook? Why do you even have an opinion being that you are a world travelled skier? Have you even spent more than your families three day vacation at Squaw, most likley Nortstar? Brandon posted a well written post to Mikes many posts. Get off you broke ass soap box and close your laptop for the night.

          • Respect Brandon says:

            Bro…you have no clue as to the blood, sweat and tears Brandon and many others like him put into making our hills open and safe on powder days. Respect the man who throws the bombs and clears our trails at 5am with 100mph winds so YOU can get your swerve on.

            Try setting a traverse in waist deep wind drifts in the dark with howling easterlies over the crest…

            Brandon and others who work their asses off to make our hills safe do not deserve piss poor attitudes like yours…to top it all off I know he would likely risk his life to save you, despite your shitty attitude

      • Anonymous says:

        I just wish Alex had married betty not Nancy.

        Reply
  34. Anonymous says:

    Every time I look at a group of beaters in the KT line I know at one point I was looking at Ratherride.

    Reply
  35. bayareakook says:

    Unofficial and all you locals should have pooled your money and bought squaw. Then you could have created a worker owned co-op and only employed other locals and leased to small mom and pop businesses. But you didn’t. instead you just want to complain about the people who did put their money up. STFU! crybabies…

    Reply
    • Anonymous says:

      Oh, right. good point. Crybabies – that’s a new clever one. What a profound statement! I guess when nancy came knocking on my door asking if i wanted to buy the ski resort I shouldn’t have told her to beat it.

      Reply
  36. Burt Bronson says:

    It’s sad to see the place where I got my first (actually my parents bought them) skis, boots, poles and all the Mightymites clothes with their colored stars I have ever worn. Needless to say, I don’t think I’ll be buying any ski gear in the Village after this year.

    Reply
  37. Kevin says:

    Unofficial Squaw – Fragmenting The Ski Community, One Opinionated Post At A Time…

    There are over 100 people arguing with each other on this thread, all because they’re upset about the KSL situation. Skiers & riders, locals & transplants, kids & adults. Some have probably never skied at Squaw in their lives! It’s sad, I bet TENS OF THOUSANDS of Unofficial Network’s 214,000 monthly unique visitors have a stake in the future of North Lake Tahoe and the only voice they have is a pseudonym in these soon-forgotten threads. The real disappointment here is, Unofficial Squaw is letting a tremendous opportunity slip away.

    This is a public service announcement to Tim Konrad & Co: Please don’t let the frustration in these threaded discussions go unnoticed. These peoples’ passion would be much better served if directed at finding ways to empower the die-hard ski community, not divide it. This article, and many others like it, are fantastic, and necessary in the effort to shine a light on the dark side of ski resort operations, but I fear you’re just sitting there, smiling, watching the page views tick up without considering what good can be done with such a powerful voice. I would argue that you have the most real and powerful voice of any ski community in the world, and that has put you in a position of incredible opportunity, which you happily seem to be wasting away. STOP bitching and complaining and START calling for real action! You’re setting a terrible example for the rest of us and demolishing our chances of ever getting what we want from our beloved Squaw Valley.

    Merry Xmas!

    Reply
    • I’d like to introduce you to our grass roots organization, http://www.MountainRidersAlliance.com. We were formed as a result of the misdirection many ski resorts are taking. There is still one major resort left in Tahoe that can be saved from an evil corporation, maybe we should buy it together?

      Reply
      • Knob says:

        Which resort is it?

        Reply
      • Kevin says:

        Jamie, I’m 100% with you and thank you. Your organization represents EXACTLY what I’m talking about! My comment above is simply an attempt to persuade Unofficial that it’s GOT to take a more positive and proactive role in preserving the most important attributes of the North Lake Tahoe community. I know what some people are thinking… “Why the f*** should Unofficial HAVE to do anything?!” Well, it’s simple. Until a website with as many dedicated skiers’ and riders’ eyeballs pops up, Unofficial is THE most influential voice in the region. It KILLS me to see so much influence go to waste.

        Companies like KSL/JMA can and will be persuaded to make the right choices, but not in response to harsh criticism alone. Incentives (e.g., money, good press, etc.) and disincentives (fines/fees, bad press, etc.) are powerful forces that drive almost every business decision, and so far, the only thing Unofficial has done well in this regard is publicly BLAST Andy Wirth and KSL. While that DOES drive traffic to this site and certainly helps people vent their frustration, it DOES NOT help the situation going forward. It only serves to divide the community in one huge angry uproar. My suggestion: Unofficial Squaw organizes a monthly meetup in Truckee or Squaw (www.meetup.com), in conjunction with The MRA, to discuss the most effective way to utilize it’s “voice” incentivize KSL to do the right thing.

        Reply
        • Thanks for the reply Kevin. I’m in total agreement that all this passion and discontent needs to be channeled into something proactive. I founded SPU-Squaw Passholders United as a way to do this, but quickly realized it was conflicting too much with my day job.

          In the last few weeks alone, Tahoe has seen a 35 year family business being shown the door, a $53 burger, Alpine raising kids prices from $10 to $39 and TRPA approving a $500 million project that many west shore residents opposed.

          It’s clear that if the community doesn’t organize and get a battle plan drawn quickly, the Basin will be forever changed.

          I invite everyone to watch Resorting to Madness, Taking Back Our Mountain Communities for some examples of how to stand up to the heart-less and soul-less corporations.

          http://www.mrablog.com/resorting-to-madness-taking-back-our-mountain-communities-now-streaming/

          Reply
          • Pumalogy says:

            My friend the basin is changing for ever. That is reality. Now I beleive it can improve through efforts like yours.

  38. Hugh Chardon says:

    RIP SVSS

    Reply
  39. Waterock says:

    I feel for the Willards and their loyal staff.
    All I can say is give your pass money to KSL, because you have to, but support local businesses…..

    Reply
  40. Anonymous says:

    The locals are bored and restless.

    We need snow, snow, snow and more snow. Do the dance, wash your beater suby, Range rover whatever. Pray, pray, pray and pray again for snow. When it comes it’ll be all good bro,,, and we’ll smoke a fat dubee for Andy in KT line:)

    Happy holidays.

    Reply
  41. Pumalogy says:

    It is interesting to me how Moonshine Ink’s responses to the article consist only of an outpouring of sympathy towards the SVSS folks. I beleive this view represents Unofficals view as well as a majority of the community. And it surprises me that some people reading Unofficial this feel so strongly about supporting KSL’s decision.
    It seems that prevailing view is either “us vs them”, or “we are all in it together”.
    I would like to know the finer detail of this story and especially what KSL’s view is.
    -You know KSL is reading this, so what its it’s view?

    And I agree with the above mention that Unofficial has a massive influence. Isn’t that amazing? All I know is to shape Tahoe, one will have to work with the elephants in the room.

    Reply
  42. eddieski says:

    the complaining here while somewhat legit is kinda rediculous and seems to come from those with too much time on their hands and a serious lack of perspective.. WE get to ski a fabulous mountain, be kind to others, focus on the positives in life and dont litter

    Reply
    • Eddie would Go says:

      Eddie,

      I disagree 100%…this is a VERY serious issue, one that has been ignored in the past by lazy minds such as yours. The last phase of resort development saw the destruction of our local school quality as homewoners and familes fled the basin due to escalating costs of ownership and soaring property values. The school district lost 100s of students a year, teachers lost jobs and the quality of our kids education suffered.

      That is a MAJOR issue…squaw and tahoe is much more than the “fingers race” on a powder day. The Tahoe lifestyle is symbiotic to the pulse of sustainable life and co-existence of jobs, business and reasonable growth..

      For those of us who live, work and have family in Tahoe this is a major issue….I guess for single season “ski bums” this is of course a non-issue.

      Man…I miss the Naughty Dog, cheap drinks and good bands playing in TC

      Reply
      • eddieski says:

        wow such flattery.. you sure know how to win hearts and minds.. nevertheless your points are lucid and well written thanks for enlightening me. Eddieski

        Reply
  43. steve says:

    i would see alex cushing walking around now and then and it was cool, smile say hello. Too bad its the money grubbing creepy scum bidness man now, oh well cest la vie

    Reply
  44. In my opinion, a true “village” is where a person lives, works, shops and plays.

    On a side note, I have the honor of being on KGO Talk radio tomorrow morning and hope to have the opportunity to discuss this very subject.

    Reply
  45. Brandon Walsh says:

    Mike Kazanjy,

    It is with great hesitation that I enter in to a “debate” with you as I feel I have already made my point. However, I can’t help but comment on one thing you mentioned in your retort, of which simply re-capped in a less aggressive manner the method in which you went about your crude and again, misguided statements. That said, I will not respond after this statement.

    The comment I would like to address is this:
    “The economics of small communities are exceedingly simple: it always benefits the community to export goods and services to outsiders.”

    I believe the point the original author was attempting to make argues this statement to its core. If all Squaw, Tahoe, or “small communities” were to live by this philosophy, then one would be left to believe that that specific economy is entirely dependent on outside money. Therefore, the only shops, stores, commerce existing within a small community are there to cater to the needs of the same outside money. That being the case and all things equal, what type of sustainability is there the other, say, seven months encompassing April-October that you and your cronies aren’t here spending your money? If all the commerce and shops are owned and operated by big business, catering to outside and more often than not greater economic resources, there is no money injected into the local economy the other 7 months of the year.

    Now, you may argue that the 5 months you and the other tourists inject “wealth” in the economy will and does more than offset the remaining 7 months, I ask you this.

    When the “Big Business” doesn’t meet their bottom line and things go south, what happens to them? They close up shop, vacate the real estate, and open a new store in the next “hot location.” On the other side, a locally owned and operated store has more vested interest in the community. They have a family that is dependent on the survival of their business. They have a relationship with the people they employ, identify with these employees, and have employees that are just as dependent on the success of that business.

    All said, I believe your statement to be incorrect.

    Reply
    • Raj says:

      Excellent Brandon. (Are you the Brandon from BSL?)
      There are flow on effects for towns miles away, like Auburn, when a big player draws in tourist dollars. If KSL can grow in a recession, like Vail Resorts, brilliant I say.

      Highlights

      Resort Reported EBITDA (which includes the Company’s Mountain and Lodging segments) of $221.9 million for Fiscal 2011 improved by $35.5 million, or 19.0%, compared with the same period in the prior year reflecting solid growth across our resorts as well as the addition of Northstar-at-Tahoe, which was acquired in October 2010.
      Net income attributable to Vail Resorts, Inc. of $34.5 million for Fiscal 2011 increased by $4.1 million, or 13.5%, from the prior fiscal year. Excluding a $7.4 million charge ($4.6 million after-tax) for extinguishment of debt related to the Company’s successful bond refinancing, net income increased $8.7 million, or 28.6%, over the comparable prior year period.
      Vail Resorts, Inc. declares its regular quarterly dividend of $0.15 per share of common stock.
      Sales of season passes for the 2011/2012 season were up 9% in sales dollars and 1% in units as of September 20, 2011 compared to the comparable period in 2010, adjusted as if Northstar-at-Tahoe were owned in both periods.

      Reply
  46. hellski says:

    It’s not surprising, I know they priced Granite Chief out last year after 35 years, plus opened up a tuning shop. 35 years seems to be the death number for Squaw Valley. From what I heard they offered them a lease but they thought it was too much. I hope the Willard’s survive in TC. I just read an article on Granite chief website about Squaw, interesting.

    Reply
    • neato says:

      granite chief was located across the road from the sv parking lot in a building that wasn’t owned by the resort and then moved into the village for a couple years. so to say they were kicked out after 35 years is BS.

      Reply
  47. We were not kicked out, priced out yes. Our lease was up and we were offered a lease with KSL but we were not comfortable with the cost and terms of the new lease so we made the hard choice to not renew.

    We moved from our old building because of traffic pattern changes once the village was built. We were in the village for six years not a couple. We did everything we could to stay in Squaw but it became quite clear the risks were more than we were willing to sign up for.

    The fact is the modern ski resort villages want to control the skiing part of the business; rentals, demos, tuning, ski and skiwear sales. It’s their business they can do what they want. The other fact is villages have high rents, it’s not just KSL. For us we were not willing to sign up with high rents and a landlord that was our competitor. We parted on good terms with Andy, we just couldn’t come to an agreement, happens everyday in business.

    We regret not having a shop in Squaw, but years like this is why we did not resign. We’ve been around for 36 years, we know every year is not like last year. If they were we would have signed up.

    Our hearts go out to the Sports Shop, we wish them the best. It’s hard but there is life after Squaw, (not when it comes to skiing, but business).

    Reply
  48. Correction: We, (Granite Chief), moved out just before KSL bought the village. It was the old owners of ski corp that did not want us there once they bought the village from Intrawest. Andy, called us and made an offer to us with a new space and lease which we decided not to sign for the reasons previously stated.

    Reply
  49. Anonymous says:

    KSL = Kill Squaw’s Locals

    Reply
  50. Long time local says:

    The Willard’s came in in the mid 70s only to kick out a even longer running ski shop which was at squaw pre- olympics. People were saying the same thing all of you are saying…. Live by the sword die by the sword.

    Reply
  51. Hello just wanted to give you a quick heads up. The text
    in your content seem to be running off the screen in
    Safari. I’m not sure if this is a format issue
    or something to do with browser compatibility but I figured I’d post to let you
    know. The layout look great though! Hope you get the problem resolved soon.
    Cheers

    Reply
  52. Spot on with this write-up, I truly believe that this web site needs a lot
    more attention. I’ll probably be returning to read through more,
    thanks for the advice!

    Look at my website … Empower Network Review

    Reply
  53. What’s up, just wanted to say, I loved this article. It was inspiring.
    Keep on posting!

    Reply
  54. Hey There. I found your weblog the use of msn.
    This is a really neatly written article. I will make sure to bookmark
    it and come back to learn extra of your useful info.

    Thank you for the post. I’ll certainly comeback.

    Take a look at my page officemax coupon codes

    Reply
  55. Broderick says:

    I’m not sure where you are getting your information,
    but great topic. I needs to spend some time learning much more or understanding more.

    Thanks for excellent info I was looking for this info for
    my mission.

    Feel free to visit my web site 品質 コンフォートシューズ 大人気 – Broderick -

    Reply
  56. Whoa! This blog looks just like my old one! It’s on a entirely
    different subject but it has pretty much the
    same page layout and design. Superb choice of colors!

    Reply
  57. It’s great that you are getting thoughts from this article as
    well as from our argument made at this time.

    Reply
  58. Hey would you mind letting me know which web host you’re utilizing?
    I’ve loaded your blog in 3 completely different browsers and I
    must say this blog loads a lot faster then most.
    Can you recommend a good hosting provider at a honest price?
    Thanks, I appreciate it!

    Reply
  59. coupons says:

    First off I want to say wonderful blog! I had a quick question
    which I’d like to ask if you don’t mind. I was interested to find out how you center
    yourself and clear your thoughts prior to writing.

    I have had a hard time clearing my mind in getting my thoughts out.
    I do take pleasure in writing but it just seems like the first
    10 to 15 minutes tend to be wasted simply just trying to
    figure out how to begin. Any recommendations or hints? Thank you!

    Reply
  60. Thanks for finally talking about > The Empire Strikes Again – KSL Capital terminates iconic ski shop – Squaw
    Valley Sports Shop < Liked it!

    Reply
  61. This revised and expanded version discusses new statistics and includes 23 new patterns,
    which also includes a section for ten event patterns.
    You should not only find the right broker but should also understand
    what activities can lead you to failure. We refer to stops as JUBBS, which are stops at obvious levels.

    Reply
  62. Tanisha says:

    I am really inspired along with your writing talents as
    neatly as with the format to your weblog. Is that this a paid subject or did you modify it yourself?

    Either way keep up the excellent quality writing, it is uncommon to see a great blog like this one nowadays..

    Reply
  63. Heya i am for the primary time here. I found this board and I in finding It truly helpful
    & it helped me out a lot. I hope to provide something back and aid others such as you helped me.

    Reply
  64. Pretty great post. I simply stumbled upon your blog and wished to mention that I’ve truly enjoyed browsing your weblog posts.
    In any case I will be subscribing in your rss feed and I hope you write once more soon!

    Reply
  65. When some one searches for his required thing, so he/she wishes to be available that in detail, so
    that thing is maintained over here.

    Reply
  66. Hi there! I know this is sort of off-topic however I had to ask.
    Does managing a well-established blog like yours require a lot of work?

    I am completely new to operating a blog but I do write in my journal on a
    daily basis. I’d like to start a blog so I can share my own experience and
    views online. Please let me know if you have any kind of ideas or
    tips for new aspiring bloggers. Appreciate it!

    Reply
  67. I just could not depart your website prior to suggesting that I
    really loved the standard info a person provide in your visitors?
    Is going to be again regularly to check out new posts

    Reply
  68. If you omit keywords, your client will miss out on free traffic over the coming months and years.
    Each hashtag is provided with its own URL for users to follow.
    Three extra seconds in that case would cost in 10% lower reading speed, which makes a considerable difference.

    Reply
  69. My developer is trying to convince me to move to .net from PHP.
    I have always disliked the idea because of the costs. But he’s tryiong none the less.
    I’ve been using Movable-type on a variety of
    websites for about a year and am worried about switching to another platform.

    I have heard very good things about blogengine.net.
    Is there a way I can transfer all my wordpress content into it?
    Any kind of help would be really appreciated!
    youtube profile, buy youtube views cheap , get more views on youtube
    get youtube views

    Reply
  70. She started her modeling career in the age of 14 with jewelry campaign.
    Though people like to know about the movie releases, stars and the other information about the local movies yet the main attraction around India remains the Bollywood.

    Fire colours like orange, red, shades of yellow are
    also popular.

    Reply
  71. This was from rollerblading downhill, and this was before I started training with Chris.
    Because of large donations to Israel, there was a statue of her father-in- law
    in Haifa. The case number was 91-15063, dated October 21, 1991.

    Reply
  72. hello!,I like your writing very a lot! percentage we keep in touch extra about your article on AOL?

    I require a specialist on this house to solve my problem.
    May be that’s you! Having a look forward to peer you.

    Also visit my homepage; Shark Promo code 2014

    Reply
  73. ps4 says:

    The title is a PS4 exclusive and for a next-generation game, an
    arcade game this perfect was unexpected. Various other
    sources have also stated that users will be able to control the
    PS4 remotely from smartphones and tablets. It’s then a case of seeing
    how many days you can survive, at night the monsters come so
    you’ll need fire to see you through the night.

    Reply
  74. My brother suggested I would possibly like this web site.
    He was once totally right. This submit truly made my day.
    Youu cann’t consider simply howw much time I had spent
    for thos info! Thznk you!

    Reply
  75. Hello friends, pleasant article and fastidious arguments
    commented at this place, I am in fact enjoying by these.

    Reply
  76. Hmm is anyone else encountering problems with the pictures on this blog loading?
    I’m trying to figure out if its a problem on my end or if it’s
    the blog. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

    Reply
  77. tataka.com says:

    Amazing! Its truly amazing post, I have got much clear idea on the topic of from this post.

    Reply
  78. wow says:

    *Achievement Mount- Glory of the Hero Red Proto-Drake- Obtained
    by completing the Glory of the Hero achievement.
    Using these professions at maximum, will certainly get you
    rich. Now I’m not here to espouse the virtues of advertising, I’m simply pointing out a tactic that is used by some to make a sale, a tactic I disagree
    with but hey, if a potential buyer doesn’t find a problem with
    it then it doesn’t really matter.

    Reply
  79. I read this piece of writing fully regarding the comparison of latest and previous technologies, it’s awesome article.

    Reply
  80. I believe everything said was very reasonable. But, think on
    this, suppose you composed a catchier title? I ain’t suggesting your content is not
    good., however suppose you added something that
    grabbed folk’s attention? I mean The Empire Strikes Again –
    KSL Capital terminates iconic ski shop – Squaw Valley Sports Shop
    is kinda vanilla. You could peek at Yahoo’s home page and note how they create article headlines to grab
    viewers interested. You might add a related video or a related pic
    or two to get people excited about everything’ve written. In my opinion, it might make your blog a little bit more interesting.

    Reply
  81. Dinah says:

    Listen to music whether it aids attention, along with change stations, fiddle with an i-pod,
    or adjust volume and balance while driving. Your tires are spinning because there is no traction.
    Featured US military-level encryption technology-256-bit AES, Wondershare USB Drive Encryption guarantees the best degree of file to protect
    your organization and personal data.

    Reply
  82. China chanel Handbags
    You’ve made some good points there. I checked on the
    internet for more info about the issue and found most individuals will go along with your views on this web site.

    Reply

Leave a Comment