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Why does Squaw Valley think they’re top dog in the pack of ski resorts?

How come everyone I know from Squaw Valley thinks they are so much better than me. Maybe it falls into the pompous California cool attitude? Or maybe they need to make up for something, if you know what I’m saying. Whatever the reason, I’m sick of it… I mean every third post on Unofficial Networks is talking about how cool Squaw Valley is, or commenting on how awesome KT-22 is. Well, in this post I am going to throw a stick in the spokes of the egos held by Squaw Valley locals and those who rep this Squaw illusion. Simply put, Whistler is a better place to ski than Squaw. California has a reputation to uphold, a hang-it-out-there “I’m better than you are” attitude. It’s no surprise to me that Squaw-ites feel obligated to let the world know that their ski area is the tits, and nipples. This becomes contagious and then slowly Squaw Valley news is the only ski news that you hear about, and one can see the downward spiral that ensues, it’s unhealthy.

I’m here to set the record straight and let the world know that Squaw Valley, California is actually not that rad.

Well the Squaw stronghold on ski badass’ery may be somewhat attributed to the reputation that Canadians must also uphold. Up here in OH Canada we’re the redheaded stepchild whose opinions aren’t taken seriously. Or maybe we’ve got  the “we know our terrain is sick but don’t really care if anyone else knows this as well, because of our non-confrontational” attitude (“non-confrontational” possibly thrown out the window after the riots). Either way, I’m a fake half-breed Canadian so I have no qualms about coming right out and saying that Whistler is way better than Squaw Valley, and I encourage all Whistler-folk to do the same. In this article I will discuss mountain stats and the surrounding Backcountry. Also, night life (or lack of in Squaw’s case), summer, winter and everything in between, plus the population of professional skiers. So, to you California girls, and guys, here’s why you’re not actually that bad ass.

Lets begin with Mountain Statistics

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Whistler Blackcomb: (from Whistlerblackcomb.com)

 

Average Snowfall -410 inches per year

Total Terrain -8,171 acres/3,307hectares

Trails -200+

Top elevation -2,284 meters/ 7,494ft

Village elevation -675 meters/2,214ft

Vertical: Whistler 1530 meters / 5020ft, Blackcomb 1609 meters / 5135ft

Number of lifts -37

Squaw Valley, Map, trail map

Squaw Valley: (from Ski Report because Squaw Valley’s website sucks balls)

 

Average snowfall -400 inches

Total terrain -4000 acres (6000+ with new inclusion of Alpine)

Trails -170

Top elevation -9,050ft

Village elevation -6,200ft

Vertical  -2,850ft

Number of lifts -33

Backcountry and sled access

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30 minutes from Whistler

Whistler and the surrounding backcountry can be summed up with two words, endless possibilities.  From the resort there are backcountry gates on both mountains, Whistler & Blackcomb (that provide access to the spearhead and beyond). The backcountry that you can access via snowmobile unreal, it’s the best sled access terrain in the world.

Squaw Valley -At Squaw Valley it’s illegal to go out of bounds from the resort and there’s not much sled access terrain around Tahoe.

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Location:

Whistler = 2 hours from Vancouver, (the coolest city on earth)

Squaw Valley = 3.5 hours from San Francisco (also very cool) but I-80 traffic is very slow. Plus Squaw is one hour from Reno (the worst city in the USA)

Night life

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Nightlife in Whistler

Whistler =Drinking age, 19

In British Columbia the drinking age is 19. This not only means there will be more people in the bars/clubs of Whistler (in contrast to the typicsl ski-town sausage fest), but there will be younger girls who get drunk easier and make (what they would call) bad decisions.

Squaw Valley =Drinking age, 21

“The night life in Squaw Valley is dead, useless, non existent, and dangerous….unless you like men” 

- Miles Clark, Squaw Valley Local and manager of Unofficial Squaw

To Squaw fans: Shave your beard and stop pretending that the bar is for sophisticated man-type people with facial hair only, who drink for the sake of drinking and brag about their lines that day. You all want fresh young beardless girls to join you in these drinking establishments.

Summer Activities

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Summer in Whistler

Squaw Valley – Californian in the summer, sounds good right? Local skier miles clark says,

“I never go to Squaw Valley in the summer, there’s not much going on”.

The California coast is what you’ve all heard and dreamt about. NOT the skeleton of a ski town 200 miles inland. Lake Tahoe is nearby (not immediately adjacent).

Whistler

Opposite from the lack of happenings in Squaw, Whistler is filled with events, tourists and hot Canadian girls. The summer kicks off with the World Ski and Snowboard Festival, and concludes with Crankworx, the biggest bike festival in the world. If that’s not enough Whistler has one of, if not, the best Mtn. bike parks on earth. The village in Whistler is always packed and to make it even better you can go skiing. YEP, in Whistler you can ski all summer on the glacier. No comparison to Squaw.

Pro Skiers:

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Photo K2

Whistler -Dana Flahr, James Heim, Ian McIntosh, Mike Douglas, Rory Bushfield, Sarah Burke, Mark Abma, Josh Bibby, Mike Henitiuk, The Treadway brothers, Shaun Pettit, Callum Pettit, Kye Peterson, Eric Hjorleifson, Mike Riddle ,Cory Vanular, Justin Dory, Chris Turpin, PY Leblanc, Charlie Ager, Leigh Powis, Josh Stack

Squaw Valley -JT Holmes, Mike Wilson, Timmy Dutton, Cody Townsend, The Gaffney’s, Ingrid Backstrom (I’ll give you Ingrid but she just moved to Whistler, suckers)

 

Claim to fame

Whistler:

-# 1 ski resort in North America since 1998  (ski/skiing/freeskier/transworld…the ratings go back to 1998)

-2010 Olympic Winter games

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Squaw Valley:

-Hot dog the movie (come on guys, really… Harkin Banks is a tool, but on second thought the movie is soft core porn)

-1960 Olympic Winter Games (it’s like your high school quarter back still wearing his letter jacket 40 years later. GET OVER IT)

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I don’t need to rub it in anymore, it’s obvious that Whistler is clearly better in every category. Sure Whistler’s in Canada and yes Canada is filled with Canadians who have beady eyes and flappy heads, but thats neither here nor there. The purpose of this rant was to dum-down the ego’s of the bro-bra-better than you- skiers at Squaw Valley. Don’t get down on yourself Squaw locals or take this as a malicious attack on your beliefs (cough ughh… RECCO).  I’m sure Squaw Valley is a really fun resort (to visit) and I truly thank Squaw for taking a percentage of the worlds ski gapers, who, if Squaw Valley didn’t exist would be clogging the lift lines at Whistler Blackcomb.

Do yourself a favor Squaw Valley locals and make a trip to Canada this winter

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151 comments
  • come on Bro

    try to find anything like this on unofficial squaw. you wont. do you know why? because no one at squaw gives a fuck about whistler.

  • squawbo

    same ol’……
    Canada = the dorky upstairs snowboarder loft, listening to the hip, sic “Hot Dog” style ski party going on downstairs in the ultra rad condo….(and yeah, the movie might be soft porn, but to bash it means you have no clue…)
    heavy snow? that means my quads are bigger than yours. oh, and with all these sic 118 or greater under foot skis (read: Bodacious), i float like a butterfly…
    spring skiing? when did whistler close? squaw closed in June. But I have several friends who have skied every month since….
    how many inches did whistler get? oh, Squaw got twice as much….
    One pro skier word – Scott Schmidt
    wait 2 – Glen Plake (heavenly guy, but you know the truth)
    wait 3 – Kevin Andrews
    wait 4 – Shane McConkey (RIP buddy)
    Disrespecting the fallen ski hero’s and trying to make it look like it the mountains fault? Whistler fans. wow. id be proud of that…
    Snomo access? You obviously are not familiar with the area. At all. I ride from my house to Squaw, to Castle, to Sierraville, to…you get the picture…
    Literally put “extreme” skiing on the map? Oh yeah, Squawlywood. I dont recall a name like “Whisltlerwood”..sounds like a bad bj….
    Vancouver, ahhh Vancouver. Being Canadian myself, I do love this town. My great great great great Grandpa was a stone-layer for the Parliament buildings. But placing it above SF? Seriously?
    Gambling, hookers, and happy rednecks? Reno baby!
    French people all over the place? umm. Easy answer huh?
    A local hockey team with nice fans? Oh, yeah, the riots….now THAT was a serious show of Canadian pride and culture…not the first time either, right?
    An underground local scene (you are NOT familiar with it, sorry, Miles isn’t either) that promotes brother and sisterhood, and is a family that extends from Squaw to Europe to Alaska to (OMG) Canada to New Zealand to the Antarctic and more? I know for a fact that is MY Squaw family. The ones I worked/skied with for 20 years here. The rif raf? you have it too. quit pretending….
    Brobras? Its Cali man….
    Has fanboi’s that think dissing on other ski areas is fun, but is really a loud cry of “green with envy” ? hypocritical? you be the judge…

  • Don't Talk about my girl like that

    OK. We talk our selves up a bit. We don’t talk shit about you. Thats fine we are a little douche like. But if you ever, I MEAN EVER, talk about my girl RENO again that way- “an hour from Reno, the worst city in the world,”- I will hit I-5 north in my maserati towards you and cut your eye balls out with maple leaves.

    You’ve likely never been to Shooters. If you’ve been to that bar you wouldn’t talk about Reno that way…..

    • shooters local

      ill grab the cattle prod from the bar and be right with you on that one. plus if we store some reno crackhead drunks in the trunk to leave in vancouver, itll be a little bit like giving smallpox infested blankets to the locals…

  • Chris

    where did the years and years of sick riding and skiing footage in the 90s come out of? tahoe…just because you’ve seen them in movies and they’re played out for filming doesn’t mean they lost any of their radness…90% snowmobile accessible you shooby..whistlers fucking ridiculous too but to say tahoe has none is stupid

    • Rich

      i prefer squaw, but whistler is measured @ mid mountain.

      In all honestly, I like it best outdoors, sliding down the side of just about anything. there are litterally billions of people who aren’t so lucky. for a fortunate few, on that perfect day, they really are at the best place on earth. but fortunately for the rest of us, that best place can be in so many different places, BC, CA, AK, WA, UT, CO, WY, MT, ID and if you leave North America, the list is a whole lot longer. quit your bitchin’ and get after it!

  • Ricky Bobby

    If you get hurt while in Canada and you are a citizen you wont be in dept for the rest of your life comparded to getting injured in the US

  • Dale Doback

    No no no no no you fuckers got it all wrong. Hands down the best mountian in north america is Blue mountian in ontario. its an unreal hill.

  • Rob

    Seriously people can we just stop all this stupid arguing. Both of these mountains have flaws but what mountain doesn’t, no ski area is perfect. both are still fucking unreal mountains and have their own aspects that make them great.

    STOP FIGHTING
    MAKE POW TURNS, NOT WAR!

  • Anonymous

    i ski both whistler and squaw, whistler sucks, there are 25 betters places to ski in the west, been ther 4 times for aleast a week, never seen the mtn from the bottom, also if you think kt line is long, it is always a 1/2 hour in gondola line at whister always in rain, you have the vert right, but most is in fog and rain, who likes thar crap, if you want to ski canada go to nelson, great snow and the sun even shines once in a while, i will never go that that crappy mtn on the coast of canada again, but squaw is great along with plenty of others places in the west, ps squaw got just as much snow last winter as snowbird, both top notch though

  • Green Bastard

    Personally, when I was stuck in detention, I would scam on the nearest decent-est female, not write a hate rant. But that’s just me.

  • Winter Park Native

    I am just stoked that none of this hate comes to Winter Park/Mary Jane and Berthoud Pass. If any of you decide to come to Colorado, I ask that you check the attitudes at the door. We are all here for a reason, to cruise through Mother Gnarshia and love the snow. Please, all of you have a latte and mellow out.

  • Squaw Boy

    Jaky, to answer your first question: the reason I think I’m better than you is because I am.

    And for all the people who are taking this seriously…relax, it’s all for shits and giggles. I think everyone in here is just stoked to be talking about skiing…in one form or another.

    • douchee magoo

      Thank you, the best comment yet. The “attitude” at squaw is a joke- literally, and my guess is that this article by Jake is only intended to stir up some good natured fun shit talking.

  • Chukka

    omg enough already with the juvenile dick swinging..who cares! both mountains are great, duh! The arrogant attitude of the gnar bro brah in-crowd at Squaw is what really sucks.

  • RP

    Nice Whistler gets 410 inches and Squaw 400 really? added an extra 10 inches I say that all the time at the bar. Plus Sled access is not limited in Tahoe.

  • Skier M

    Shane McConkey born in Vancouver, Canada but call Squaw his home. Jake you better ski on some camber straight skis cause Squaw is home of the Rocker.

    “Canada is like a loft apartment over a great party”

    Now on to the article:
    Look in the mirror and repeat, I’m not good enough, I’m not smart enough, and doggone it everyone at Squaw (and even Alpine) is better than me. Everyone at Squaw thinks they are better than you for one reason, they are better than you, hello!

    California does have a reputation to up hold. Think Gold Rush, Golden Gate Bridge, Hollywood, Yosemite, Home of a little thing called the Skateboard, Home of the Mountain Bike (thank you Gary Fisher), Home of the agriculture you eat, Lake Tahoe, Alex Cushing, Squaw Valley…

    Jake is right about Squaw Valley not being rad. Squaw Valley is Radness as in Gaffney’s Numerical Assessment of Radness. Jake you should read Squallywood and watch the movie G.N.A.R. then you might understand. The movie is even viewable on this website.

    Mountain Stats:
    2010-11 Snowfall
    Whistler: 622 inches
    Squaw: 810 inches

    Lifts:
    Whistler: No one cares about all of the crappy lifts that Whistler has that go to terrain with slushy snow.
    Squaw: KT22, Headwall, Granite Chief, Silverado…(even Shirley Lake is better than most lifts at Whistler)

    Backcountry:
    “there’s not much sled access terrain around Tahoe” really?
    Have you even heard on the Sierra Nevada Mountain Range?
    Not only sled access, what about the Tahoe Backcountry? There are a lot of people who would be very upset if the world knew how RADNESS the Tahoe backcountry is and started coming down from Whistler to shred, film, and track up the freshness with all your turning (“turning is for when things get in your way”).
    Skiing out of bounds is illegal at Squaw but why would you want too? Alpine is next door and the peaks near Squaw offer backounty RADNESS.

    Location:
    Whistler = It’s in Canada
    Squaw = California, California, California
    Whistler = 120 minutes from Vancouver (“the coolest city on earth”)
    Squaw = 15 minutes from Truckee (the coolest TOWN on earth), 90 minutes to Sacramento

    Nightlife:
    Nice picture, I bet there is more of a party going on at Squaw right now (offseason, Wednesday, at noon).
    You can have the 19 year old girls, everyone at Squaw will be shredding pow while you wake up with a hang over from well wiskey and a girl with high school drama, have fun with that.

    Squaw = Chamois
    But unlike Whistler, the best night life is not in Disneyland I mean the village.

    Summer:
    Whistler: Mountain Biking, Hiking, reruns of Three Company
    Squaw: LAKE TAHOE, and everything else.

    Pros:
    Whistler: Great, but the only professional sport Canada has is Hockey.
    Squaw: See the posts above, I don’t want this to get any longer.

    Olympics:
    Vancouver 2010
    Canada: 26 medals
    USA: 37 medals
    The Olympics were even in your Country!

    Squaw Valley 1960
    Canada: 4 medals
    USA: 10 medals
    And the first televised Olympics, not to mention Alex Cushing got the bid with one lift.

    Claim to Fame:
    Whistler: Olympics
    Squaw: Olympics, Hot Dog, some of the best Ski/Snowboard movies ever made (see Squallywood), and the best skiers. There are better 4 to 5 year old kids at Squaw Valley than most of the skiers at Whistler.

    Even my dog is better than you!

    Let’s pretend all of Jake’s opinions are right for a second, Squaw Valley will still have an “attitude” because we are better than you, not an attitude, it’s a fact.

    Stay up there in Canada, if us Squaw Valley skiers ever get tired of the RADNESS at Squaw we will come up there and shred Whistler just to show how much better we are.

    Have a wonderful season, every time it’s raining in the Whistler village and the days are cloudy, just think of the RADNESS you are missing.

    • ratherride

      thats all dead on, its really too bad that Jake is too much of a bitch to respond to anything anyone ever says to him or about him

    • Steve French

      Fuck “A loft apartment over a great party” Canada is an unfucking real V.I.P room over a party that has gone to shit. I would argue some of your other points but i didnt read any of them. I dont have time to read a shity essay by someone who is clearly fucked in the head. Whistler for the win BITCHES!!!

  • Pete

    Skier M sums it up. Jake is a total moron to really think there is no back country here. He is a bigger moron to not realize that Tahoe summers are way sicker.

  • Alpine Rat

    Alpine Meadows. 2nd most snow in North America. No squaw attitude, and 3 dollar beers. Have fun fighting. Alpine Meadows, killing it and Keeping it quite right next to squaw.

  • Baytard

    I now feel dumber. Thank god I moved to the Bay, so my brain will get some use again! If you are a BITTER skibum, then 1) not only are unsuccessful, unattractive to chicks, and broke but 2) you are just a whinny bitch. Shut the fuck up and move to the midwest. I has the fun where ever I go, and Im sure many of you ski bum douches do to.

    ps. eat a dick… with cheese hating is fun, thats why fun skibum types do it

  • Baytard

    I now feel dumber. Thank god I moved to the Bay, so my brain will get some use again! If you are a BITTER skibum, then 1) not only are unsuccessful, unattractive to chicks, and broke but 2) you are just a whinny bitch. Shut the fuck up and move to the midwest. I has the fun where ever I go, and Im sure many of you ski bum douches do to. So shut your cock sucker and get RAD!

    ps. eat a dick… with cheese hating is fun, thats why fun skibum types do it: No?

  • "ratherride" Got Beef?

    To “ratherride,” it seems like there might be a story behind the animosity you feel towards Jake. Pray do tell. Feel free to defend Squaw and put in your two cents, but you haven’t made a valid point yet. For someone who hates every post Jake writes, you sure follow them closely. I hate cauliflower, so I just don’t eat it. If I hated cauliflower like you hate Jake then I would buy lots of cauliflower and keep it around just so I got more and more pissed until maybe I was so disgusted that I felt happy (not sure if that’s how things work though). Anyway, that is a bit off the point. I kinda just want to hear your reason for being so butt hurt. I could list some possibilities…

  • "ratherride" Got Beef?

    Reasons “ratherride” may hate Jake:
    - Jake has proven that he is better that you at skiing. Maybe you used to compete against him.
    - You are a devout Mormon and the drinking comment rubs you the wrong way.
    - You are in fact Dale Atkins from RECCO. We all know that Jake isn’t on the top of his list.
    - You are in fact a 19-year-old female slam-hog living in Whistler and Jake’s drinking age snippet opened your eyes to your young and slutty predicament.
    - You are affiliated with a company that has received a bad review by Jake, and you make up for your shitty product the same way that Dale Atkins did; you angrily push back (You, however lack any of the structure, facts, professionalism or command of the English language that Dale has demonstrated).
    -You recently moved back in with your parents and now you can’t use the word “bitch” in everyday language as much as you would like to, so you used the internet to type the word “bitch” as many times as you could.

  • J Dobbs

    1. Actually, Squaw Valley, California is precisely THAT rad. Duh.
    2. JSYK, I just pulled the stick from my spokes and stomped the shit out of the landing anyway. Know the code!!
    3. A 10″ advantage in snowfall? Ha! Something is amiss in the conversion table you tried to use, you Metric Conformists!
    4. That’s not your only skewed statisctic: You completely “overlooked” a few essentials; let’s compare number of Funitels. Whistler=0, Squaw=1. And, no summer nightlife? No need to share the address of the stables with you, Sundowner. Take an Ambien if our noise scares you.
    5. And, no, we’re not still wearing our Varsity letter jackets, we just are proud that we got to host the Olympics before they were trendy. Whistler (er, Vancouver, actually) didn’t jump on the bandwagon until 2010. Sweet, have you started to import our California fat skis and iPhones yet? I’m sure they’ll catch on soon.
    6. Reno is NOT even the worst city in the USA, you ethnocentrist! Detroit is. And, guess what infectious nation coincidentally sits one bridge away from the poorly positioned Motor City?
    7. You are admitting defeat in stating that Whistler’s younger girls (um, need we discuss drunk teens? Really?) more likely make “bad decisions.” What bad decision is that? Actually hooking up with you?
    8. FYI, for all our cartographically-impaired northern disputants, Lake Tahoe, actually is indeed pretty damn immediately adjacent for summer lovin’.
    9. And, did you seriously prop Mike Henetiuk and other no-namers in comparison for pro-counts? Mike Henetiuk, for real?? I can’t believe he’s a pro. I am SO MUCH better than him!

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  • Rob

    This is an awesome article. I’ve ridden squaw a few hundred days and I have to say that it’s great and all, but you don’t even have to leave Tahoe to find bigger and better lines. I mean just look up at Tallac, that shit makes Silverado piss itself!

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